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TYE 115: What a 21 y/o female firefighter can teach you about possibility with Cassandra Chyz

Jan 17, 2022
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Barely 5-feet tall and just 21 years old, Cassandra Chyz defied every conventional thought - even her own mother’s - to become a fulltime firefighter in Canada’s biggest city, Toronto. From going all-in on training and moving across the country to learn, to failing entry tests and nearly giving up, her remarkable story is proof that all as long as you’re willing to put the work in, success is inevitable.


Cassandra was a pupil of Shelli’s - a trailblazer among female firefighters in Canada, herself. Here, Chyz joins The YES Effect to share her inspirational journey that all began with a spontaneous decision to attend a week-long firefighter camp. She shares how she worked to stand out amongst her male-dominated competition, and even replays the highly emotional voicemail left for Shelli when she was finally offered the job.


In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • How Cassandra discovered firefighting after dropping out of school and working odd jobs
  • How seeing Shelli for the first time changed everything for Cassandra
  • The list of things Shelli advised her to do to stand out and get hired as a firefighter, including in the final interview
  • Why Cassandra moved across the country to volunteer
  • How even Cassandra’s mom didn’t think she could be a firefighter  
  • The outside things Cassandra took on to advance her skills 
  • The event that almost caused Cassandra to give up
  • The ah ha moment that encouraged her to keep going and eventually land her dream job in her hometown



There were a few women who helped at (firefighter) camp and in my head ….I was like ‘if all of them did it why can't I do it?’”

I remember just feeling like ‘Okay, I got my school done, this is something I really want, I'm hungry…what do I have to do next?’

What she said was: in my body this is a ‘hell no’…. when you found your ‘hell yes’ that was the thing you tripled down on.’ -SV

I remember you (Shelli) saying … you need to separate yourself. You helped me realize I really needed to stand out. In all my interviews I told them things I thought they wanted to hear. The mindset you gave me was ‘show them that you're the type of person that they want on their team.’

When you say YES and you take action, you become the thing you need to be. -SV

A belief in the limitation is more powerful than the limitation itself. -SV


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Episode Transcript:

Cheers. Thank you so much for sitting down with us, buddy. I could not be more proud of you. You might as well be my own kid. Thanks for coming. Thank you for having me. So I asked you recently, if you'd be willing to sit down and have a chat because you are, your story is so inspirational and it's going to mean a lot to so many people.

So just to recap, you just at 21 years old, five feet tall, just got hired with the Toronto fire department. What does that feel like? Sometimes it still doesn't feel real. I feel like a lot of the times when I'm in my uniform, I have to, I always love to just like glance over at my shoulder and see that patch,

that Toronto patch, just to like, almost like a pinch me, I'm dreaming feeling because I feel like the past two, three years of my life has totally been, what can I do to become a firefighter? And now that I am like, it's still hard to, That's amazing. So I had the privilege of meeting you for those of you who are listening.

We run a junior, female firefighter bootcamp, and it's basically aimed at like teen girls age 15 to 19. I think it is. And, and it's to expose girls to firefighting for sure, but also a possibility. And so each time we do this, we get, you know, 20, 20 girls that come through and you know, they're excited and they're,

you know, they want to be there and stuff, but there was something drastically different about you because you participated in the camp. And I remember, and I said this to you before we started recording. I remember noticing you at the very beginning of day two, because you, I remember you were always standing at the back of the class. You had your hands behind your back and you were just listening in a way that was,

that was not typical for, for the rest of the girls in your group. I remember that you would come up to the instructor afterwards and thank them for their time and also ask really smart questions because you were switched on and you were paying attention and you were doing all the things and you weren't there to take selfies and you weren't there to like to get attention and you weren't giggling with the other girls and you fit in perfectly.

But I remember thinking this, girl's got it like this. Girl's got the thing. Can you talk about before you applied for the camp at one point you heard about it, what did that feel like when you decided you were going to participate? And then when you, when you walked in the first day, the second day, the third day, what kind of transformation did you,

did you feel because before you, before you walked in the door and realized this might be something I might do, there was a moment just before that, where you're like, I don't know, Man, that it's a good question. Cause like right before camping night was a weird transitional time, my life. So right after high school, I went to uni for social work and I immediately hated it.

I knew it wasn't for me. I tried to stick it through, but right away, like I knew that that was not my calling. That was not meant for me. And I had just dropped out of school and I was working a bunch of weird, odd jobs, like not knowing what to do with my life. I was working at the airport at the time as a ramp agent,

just like stacking luggage in the back of airplanes, just hating my life. I was constantly on indeed that a job website for jobs, just imagining what I could be doing with my life or what could be making me happier. And I randomly came across camping night. I had never heard of it. The thought of being a firefighter has never in my life,

like crossed my mind. I'd never seen a firefighter that looked like me until I had met you. And so it would just, if it was not on my radar at all. So when I read what camping night was, I thought it was cool. Like I got to climb ladders, we got to do forcible entry. You have to do search and rescue.

And even when I read that listing and I applied to camp in my head, I never thought, Hey, you know what, maybe this is something I'm going to like and a career that I'm, I might want to do one day. Cause it's still like it, it was not possible in my mind for me to give them I was so unrealistic.

I just thought it was going to be like a fun week and something cool to tell my friends and family about. But I don't know. As soon as camp started, there was this immediate change. I think when I had like the first time I laid my eyes on you, because it was like, oh my gosh, here's this, here's this person that is like,

not much taller than me. Like a similar build to me is also like a woman and she's doing the thing. So I don't know. I think seeing you really kind of made me realize my potential. That's the biggest compliment ever. Thank you for that. No problem. No, it's true. Because even there were a few women who helped at the camp as well.

And in my head kind of when the week ended, it was like, well, hell like if all of them did it, why can't I do it as really like what camp did for me, it was an awesome experience. And I learnt so much and I didn't really think much of it, but it was only after camp ended that all that,

the experiences that happened that week really started to manifest. And I don't know, soon as camp was over, I was really sad that it was over. So I was saying to you again, just before this, the, the pinnacle moment for me, like, I fell in love with you. The second you walked in the door, cause I'm like,

this is somebody we would be proud to have on our track. Like switched on like smart, like respectful. Like you, you get it and you were good. Like you were super good. And on the last day we have like a, an open house where we, all the parents could come, the families can come and we run, like we run a call and we have the girls on the truck.

One of the girls is in command and then the, you know, they go in and the search and rescue and they fight the fire and do all the things. And it's really cool. And I had the, the privilege of meeting your mom afterwards and she was pretty emotional. So this is the last, the end of the last day. And she said like,

it's just been so cool for her to watch you like really kind of like fall in love with something. And she said to me words, I will never forget, which are it's too bad. This isn't something she could do. And I was like, what? Like, what are you, what do you mean? Like, of course she can do it.

And, and again, she was probably thinking the same thing you were thinking and had felt, which are like, what are the chances? What are the odds? Like, look at me. I'm not big enough, brave enough, smart enough, strong enough. Look at the competition. And I said to her that kid's success is inevitable. I want you to give me her phone number and you tell her to call me and you did,

what did that feel like the first time you and I sat down? And this is really, I mean, for, for those people listening, what I really want to drive home is you went on to do the thing. Like you went on to you're 21 years old, you're five feet tall. And you, you were saying like, you know,

I'm, I'm essentially a kid and yet fair and square. You beat the people you were competing against, who were like guys who were like six foot two. And, but before you were able to do that, and before you were able to spend like a couple of years getting your teeth kicked in and getting your chops and learning the skills and building your confidence before that,

there was a moment when you didn't think you could. And there was that second where something got switched and then you believed. And because you believed that was the trigger, the ignition point for all of the other sequences of events that led to your inevitable success. Can you talk about that first meeting? Yeah. Honestly going into that first meeting, I've never told you this,

but going into that meeting, I was so nervous Shelly, because like, I hadn't seen you since camp and after camp happened, you had become like such an idol to me. I really idolized you. And like, I was like, this is who I want to be like, you're living of like, I don't know my possible story or like my success or what I want to be,

what I want to achieve. So I was really nervous, but I think I kept my cool and didn't really show it, but was very nervous to be meeting you that day. What, what meeting that day did for me was really like fuel the fire. Cause I felt like you just gave me all the ammunition I needed to just like, get the job done.

I remember sitting there and it was like, we made this big, long checklist of all the different things I needed to do to be successful. Or in my head before that day, it was like becoming a firefighter. That sounded awesome. That was really cool. But it was almost a pipe dream because I had absolutely no idea what the process was or what needed to be done or any of the intricacies that would come along with that.

And what you did was like, I don't know, you broke it down and you told me exactly what I needed to do. And that gave me, yeah, that just gave me the ammunition. It broke it down and it was like, okay, these are manageable things like volunteering in my community. I can do that, going to school for four months and like getting my certs.

I can do that. So it, it really made it real in my mind. So it became tangible. I, I loved meeting you that day because this is one of my favorite things. When I chat with people like you, you know, I speak to, and I, and I coach a lot of women as well. And there's that moment when you can watch somebody,

you can watch the possibility wash over their face. And it's like, oh, but that's the thing that we love so much about story, right? Because when we met that day, you realized that I'm actually a goof and you're like, well, I'm a goof too. So she's a goof and I'm a goof and cheated it then. And I say that lightly,

and also not so much, right? Like it's like, I, you know, whatever I got up this morning and I stumbled and I made a copy. And so did you, and we're not so different. We're actually far more alike. And that's part of the reason I love doing stories is I was telling you at the top again, my entire motto is believe belong,

become. And so you became thing. But in between there also, I wanted you to feel in your bones that like, you belong with me. Like we, like you belong here. You're worthy of being here. You're going to be able to do it and earn it and all of the things. And so I said to you, K, here's the massive checklist of things I want you to do.

And I call it the triple O the order of operations, which is like what I got to do and what I got to do first. So I said, go get your schooling. If you go get your schooling, you're welcome to reach out to me then. And the truth is a lot of people I've sat down for that coffee meeting. Many,

many times, a lot of people don't call me back. And you did. And so what was the second meeting? Like, because I remember telling you, okay, you, you have now the bare minimum, but they are going to look at you in an interview. You're the same size as me, five feet tall. I'm not a big person.

They're going to look at you and they're going to think you can. So you have to do something that is a little more rugged or a little more aggressive or a little dirty and gritty because they're going to doubt you. And we need to not leave any wiggle room for that. What was that like after the second meeting, when I'm like, go and get your teeth kicked in?

Yeah. I remember that too. I remember meeting that time and just feeling like, okay, I got my school done. This is something I really want. I'm hungry. What do I have to do next? And again, another list came my way. And this time we really worked on like those transferable skills and the life experience because of my age and my lack of employment history,

or just life experience compared to the other people I'm competing with to get this job. That was something you really drilled down on me that you really wanted me to. I remember kind of, as you put, it was like, do the unexpected, like edit a job that they wouldn't expect someone who looks like you to be doing, working with heavy machinery and tools in a male dominated environment.

And so that was what I tried to. I started working construction. I started volunteering at a tool shop with habitat for humanity. I just tried to be doing all the things that for someone like me would just be unlikely. Cause I knew that the second they saw me at an interview panel, they were just kind of going, gonna scratch their heads and be like,

why is, why is there a kid sitting in front of us? Right. Yeah, totally. I just wanted to prove them wrong. Yeah. And you did, because what you did was, was you work smarter, not harder. And you showed them unequivocally that this kid's got chops. You also moved across the country. Can you talk about what you did?

Because like you don't do anything half-assed Yes, no, I, I go full throttle for sure. So I think this was the biggest game changer for me in getting hired. Full-time here back home. I applied for it's called a work experience program in BC. So Ascension British Columbia for those who are listening we're in Canada, British Columbia. So it was a small town called Creston of about 5,000 people.

And essentially what it was was I would move there and live at the fire station. And in return for that living accommodation, I would work full time on their volunteer department. So they operated on a volunteer basis like paid on-call firefighters, but there were six candidates from across Canada that lived there full time to staff the stations and respond to all the calls.

And so that really, really gave me that work experience and that life experience on my resume that I needed to show that panel, that I was capable of doing this job because I quite literally was doing the job before I got hired full time. That was an awesome experience. I would recommend it to anybody going through fire, looking to get hired. That was definitely what did it for me because I had,

I had the experience that they were looking for and it was all-in-one. It was, it was trust checks. It was life around the station. It was understanding the chain of command and being a part of it. How that functions, the professionalism, the integrity, everything Like the resolution. Yeah, yeah. Living with the people that I work with.

So just knowing how to get along with people when we're working those 24 hour shifts and every day doing a truck checks. So I know how to run the saw. I know how to run the PBB fans. I'm driving the truck, I'm driving lights and sirens. I'm responding to calls. I'm comfortable going through my sample questions and doing those medical scenarios.

I'm just like, I understand the basics. And that was really the deal breaker. I want to point out for everybody, because if we, if we go back to the beginning of this chat, you were saying after high school, you went to university, you were doing social work. You realized it was not for me. So in that, that for everybody listening,

what she said was in my body, this is a hell no. Right? And so you listened to that, even though you didn't have a plan, right. You could have stuck with it because what you ended up doing is what some people would consider, not an amazing job. And I think you would echo that too. You know, you're working at the airport,

you're stacking luggage, not an amazing job. And you left university to do that because you knew it was a no, but here's what happened, everybody listening. What happened was you found your hell. Yes. And when you found your hell, yes, that was, that was the thing that you're like, okay, you can triple down and go all in on.

Cause when, because for some people listening who are like, maybe firefighting, wouldn't be there. Hell yes. Right. But for some people listening, they might go, okay, well, like, you know, I wouldn't move across the country. You literally moved across the country for an opportunity because you're no, no, no, no. This is a,

yes. This is a for sure. Yes. For me. And it's those small things. Right. Because a lot of people will know something's not right for them and they'll muddle through it and it ends up in depression or alcoholism or just like general blah. And some people feel yes. And they're afraid to act, can you talk a little bit about what it was like,

because you know, we all, I seem for me too, right. We all have that moment when they're like, oh yes. Like this is the thing. And then you're like, oh, cause the immediate thing that follows the hell. Yes. Is the fear, what was it about this for you that you're like, no, no matter what I'm jumping in with both feet.

Okay. So for me, where I really struggled and where I really started to question if firefighting was for me was when I was initially the first time I had to go through all the testing. So after I had finished school and had to go through the fitness tests and aptitude tests, cause the first time I ran into those, yeah, they, they didn't go so great.

I've always been in good shape and very fit, but firefighter fit is definitely a different kind of, So I w I really, I finished school and school went great and I made really good relationships with the captains and the teachers. And I knew that, like, these were my people. And then after that, they invited me to come back to the school and be a student mentor.

So I volunteered there for the next round of students. And I got to help teach and build props and kind of just do like all the little behind the scenes work at the school. And again, that was, I was helping to like fuel the fire. And it really gave me motivation because I knew that these are people that they see my work ethic.

They want me around, like, they know I can handle the job. So they're giving me this opportunity to come back and like further, like prove to them what I got. And so I was on this high. I was like, okay, they want me here. Like, they, like, they liked the way I worked. Like, I can do this,

like firefighting. This is for me. And then after that ended, I was like, okay, now it's time to get my certs done so I can start applying. And right away it was like, fail one test failed. The second test, fail the next test. And it was just like, I just kept getting my ass handed to me.

It felt like it raining so hard. And I think my big, like aha moment was I had failed the treadmill test two times. And I thought there is no way I'm ever going to be able to pass this test because I just have little legs and it's, I'd have to run on this treadmill for like 20 minutes. And it's just like, I can't do this.

And maybe this is sign from the universe that, you know what, I'm not meant to do this job. I'm too small. Like, I'm just, maybe it's not for me. And I remember being at the gym and like, I weighted vest and like training on the treadmill. And even, even at the gym, just like failing that test and feeling like I am never going to pass this.

If I can't pass this stupid trust, the stupid test, or I'm walking on a treadmill, how am I going to expect, like, to be taken seriously as a firefighter? Or like, do I deserve to be a firefighter? And I was just getting all in my head and all this negative self-talk was happening just really down on myself. And then as I was leaving the gym to go home,

a firetruck drove past me with lights and sirens. And of course it did. Yeah. And, and to me that I think that was such a significant moment. And like that timing, it was meant to be because it was when I was like at such a low and it was like, the universe sent me this and it was it. And then I ended up passing my test the next day and just went on to be successful from there,

with the next one. So, So you, that was interesting that you said you were on the treadmill and you're like, am I ever going to be able to do this and whatever. And so you're talking about the universe and it's like, you have a little bit more growing to do. And growth never happens with struggle. And it's almost like you're the caterpillar and the Chrysalis.

And they're like, no, you gotta, you gotta wrestle with this just a little bit harder and a little bit longer. Cause sometimes when, when things are hard and we feel like it's the universe saying, no, it's not. It's the universe saying, not yet. Bring me more. Mm. I like that. So, so you, you,

you readied your body, you got your teeth kicked in, you built the strength, you built the endurance, you passed the test. Then my phone rings again. And you said, I have an interview. And I'm like, oh, this is my juice. Like, this is actually, this is the best place I shine because, because I know story and,

and the truth is when you get to the interview, any of those people are hireable. They don't bring people to the interview who, who are unqualified. Literally you could take any one of them. And that is the opportunity to, to tell them why and to tell them how, and to tell them that you understand their challenges in, in the things they faces as leaders and managers and chiefs and administrators.

What was that process like going free for you when we were talking about like, here's what they're actually looking for. Think about it this way. And then what did it feel like when you finally executed on the interview? Because this is my favorite Is I feel like I, I feel like I owe you so much in the interview, I think is where you helped me the most,

because that is something I really struggled with. I had, I had had several interviews, it all been unsuccessful. And then finally, when I got the interview, that mattered one where I was like, okay, this is the department I want it's game time. Like, let's go, like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna waste my time making the same mistakes I made in the last interview.

And I knew that if anyone could help me, it was you. And the thing is, you didn't know what the mistakes were because you can't read the label from inside the bottle. Right. You're like, Yeah. The biggest mindset shift or, or thing that you learned during our chats where you're like, oh, okay, Honestly like that I'm not special was kind of like the mindset I had,

because I remember you saying these guys that are on the interview panel, they are tired. They have had the same conversation with 50 other people before you, your resume looks just like the person before you, like, you need to separate yourself. You need to, I went into it because of you. You helped me realize that, like I really needed to stand out because in all my interviews in the past,

I had given really canned answers and kind of told them the things I thought they wanted to hear from me. And they weren't Incorrect either. However, they were scripted and they were not, they were not very genuine. So for this last interview, the one that really mattered, I wanted to mindset you gave me was show them that you're the type of person that they want on their team to do.

And I, I even, I said that at the end of my interview, kind of when I was closing off and thanking them each individually for the opportunity and the time to sit down with me, I think one of the last things I said was like, I hope that after this interview, I've proven to you guys that I am the type of person that you guys want on your team.

And I would be honored if given the opportunity to work for you. And then they were all smiling and nodding. And I, I just felt so good. Well, I think, You know, you nailed it. And here's the thing I knew. I knew you at this point fairly well. And I knew that you are the, the person that we want on our team.

And my biggest regret is my department didn't get to hire you. I've told you that many times, but, but the thing in the interview, and it doesn't matter if you're a coach or an author, speaker, an entrepreneur, your audience gets no jobs. Right? And so for, for the interview, or even if you're speaking with, you know,

clients or customers or whatever that looks like in communication, you cannot leave anything for somebody else to figure out, especially in that scenario, because you were like, like I said, you might've been the 20th person. They've sat down with that day and they've heard 25 canned answers. And, and the heartbreaking part is a lot of those people are great people,

but your mind people. And so we're like, we're going full steam. We're not leaving any stone unturned. And that panel of chiefs is going to have no jobs. They're going to burn zero brain calories, trying to figure out who you are, what you're all about, and that they would be stupid not to hire you. I need to tell you something I haven't told you before.

But one time in class, we had a chief come in and he was one of our instructors that day. And immediately he looked at me and he said, you, you lived in BC before this didn't you? And I said, yes. And he said, you're from Mississauga. And I said, yeah, yes, I am, sir. And he's like,

I interviewed you. I'm so happy to see that you got the job. Like I, you were one of my best interviews. And then it meant so much to me that he, and then it was funny too, because on remembrance day, my, I took my mom to one of the remembrance day ceremonies. And I was told that I should probably go in uniform as a sign of respect.

And while I was there, there was, there were some other firefighters there. And I was standing with my mom. And one of the chiefs that were there came and approached us and kind of shook my hands. I'm like, hi, chief, I'm chews. Nice to meet you. And he's like, oh, geez. I know you like,

it's me. It's chief. And I was like, oh, Hey, how are you? Sorry. I like, I didn't recognize you with the mask on. And he, he, he, again, he turned to my mom and he was like, I am so happy that we got her. Like, she was one of my top candidates after those interviews.

And I'm so happy she's on the job. Like, I hope she ends up in the west sometimes, so we can work to, and it was, it was such a big moment for me that someone remembered me from the interview. And, and I think that's all like that, that really like, I owe that to you because you really helped me nail my answers and nail my confidence and just feel good about what I was saying and make me feel like my answers were true to me.

And clearly that came across. And so that was a big moment. That's still is like, that's a big moment for me. Well, what I actually did was just, I showed you and told you and champion you to be unapologetically yourself because that is your rocket fuel. So the, so the last question I just wanted to ask you was one of the things that I said to you throughout the entire processes,

your success is inevitable. And that's phrase that I got from my buddy James Wedmore. And I said, I wanted, I want you to practice feeling what the phone call felt like or what they are, what the notification email in your case felt like. And, and we were talking before this and you're like, yeah, I didn't really get that at the beginning.

Sounded kind of silly, but then what happened Worked, I think I'm, I've never been good at like visualizing or imagining things happening. And so when you said to just like, imagine getting that phone call, like imagine what that feels like. I was like, what does Shelly mean? Imagine this, like, I don't just want to imagine, like,

I want it to happen. I want to feel it when it happens. But every time I started imagining that phone call or what that email was going to feel like, again, like, it was just like, it was giving me an adrenaline rush or making me feel like all these good feelings, this dopamine like that this was gonna happen. And,

and then it, and then inevitably it did happen and it felt a lot more intense than I thought it was going to, but I was ready for it. And I, and that's because of you, again, Was your reaction with when, after going to camp and thinking you couldn't and having the chats and going to school and moving across the country and doing all the things.

And finally you get the phone call. What was your reaction to that? Just bawling, bawling, crying, immediately calling my mom and dad and just telling them like, I'm coming home. Like I got the job and it was so for me, it was so perfect and beautiful the way that it played out, because I got hired at home. I got to come home.

I moved across the country and I was, I, my dream was always to be a firefighter and it, it didn't matter where I ended up if I ended up, if I ended up staying in BC or moving to PEI or somewhere in Alberta, if, if I got hired as a firefighter, I'm going wherever the job takes me because that's, that's how much I,

I on it. And it, it just, I don't know, it was almost like poetic in the way that it came full circle. And I got hired, right? Like where my family is, where my home is, where my heart is, and I couldn't have asked for anything better. It, it was like, if it happened, how it was meant to,

He shall leave his shoes. I just want to let you know that we did it and super excited. And I'm looking forward to talking to you soon. All right. Have a good day. Well, I couldn't be more proud of you and I super appreciate you spending the time, because there are people out there who maybe their thing is, or is not firefighting,

but they're feeling defeated and like they can't and whatever. So for those people, do you have any parting words as far as what it, what it feels like, what a yes. Feels like in your body and what advice would you give those people who are sitting on a yes, but scared. It's not possible for them? Hmm. I think just like,

what you said is that as long as you want it, and you're willing to put the work in, like success is inevitable, I would really drive home because even with myself, it seemed like this big unrealistic goal. Again, like I'm just a kid I'm so young. I don't have the experience. I'm, I'm so tiny. Like, can I really do this job?

And then slowly making the plan, getting that checklist and just taking it one step at a time, really knocking off all the items off the list that you can and making that big mountain, just like a little bit smaller and smaller and smaller. Well, the thing is at the beginning of it, you're like, well, that's not me. I wouldn't have it.

I w you know, I don't have any skills or experience, but the truth is say yes. And when you take action, you become the thing you need to be. And the truth is a belief in the limitation is more powerful than the limitation itself. So it's really just, like you said, baby steps and moving in the right direction and knowing for sure that your success is inevitable.

And if you keep moving, it's on its way. Yeah. Yeah. Just keep, keep working and it'll happen. I love you. I'm so proud of you, buddy. You're the best. I really couldn't have done any of this without you. I owe you so much Shelley, While you're stuck with me for the rest of your life. So there we go.

Thank you so much for having me today. I appreciate you. Thanks so much for hanging out with us today on the S effect show. If you liked this episode, it'd be amazing. If you could rate it, review it and share it with a friend wherever you listen to your podcasts. And lastly, if you want a behind the scenes, look,

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